Molly: It is not in my nature to want to keep Laura Benanti from the stage, but I think it’s a real shame Astra is gone, at least for now. Her death was spoiled for me before I was able to watch and I was angry. I didn’t think her story was even close to being over and Astra deserved better. Astra still deserves better, but after actually watching the episode itself, it weirdly worked okay for me. She got to fight for Kara in the episode while still not being suddenly fully redeemed.
Amber: I agree. It felt really early for her death. Astra was so close to turning her back on her cause for Kara which would have felt false to me. Astra could never be 100% on Kara’s side because she genuinely believed in what she was fighting for. But that dilemma could have been drawn out more. The truth is Supergirl just never gave Astra the story she deserves.
Molly: What I was an uncontested big fan of was Alex and J’onn being fiercely protective of Kara. I know you all miss Lexie Grey, but Chyler Leigh is an excellent Alex Danvers and I am so happy to have her. “Alex kills Astra” is a hard place to get to in terms of believability, but everything in the episode built to Alex being ready to do whatever she had to to protect her family. Her speech as she was fighting off imprisonment was so well done. It could have been played softer, but Alex’s desperation was clear. She needed her sister. If she couldn’t come back with her sister, there was no point in coming back at all. She wasn’t tearfully pleading for Kara to come back to her, she was viciously shouting the deep need she had for Kara to choose the truth, to choose her.
Amber: What a fantastic fucking episode for Alex Danvers. What I really loved about this is seeing the lengths that Alex will go to protect her sister even if her sister is Supergirl. That’s the kind of relationship we don’t get to see often between women on TV. And watching her beat up Maxwell Lord was a religious experience for me. (We still haven’t punched him in the face though? Someone punch him.)
Molly: I have now finalized all my paperwork to join the Write Cat Grant the Way She Deserves movement. There are still things about her character that work in a lot of episodes and Calista Flockhart is turning in good work, but too often, Cat gets Pierce Hawthorned. That is, when the show needs this kind of obstacle, they throw Cat in there. If they need a cartoon villain, there she is. She deserves better and the show keeps coming close but never quite gets there. Or if they do (the midseason finale scene where Cat revealed she knew Kara was Supergirl comes to mind), they throw it away and refuse to sustain it.
Amber: Yes. What a wasted opportunity for Cat not to know. Speaking of wasted things, the dynamic between Wynn/Jimmy/Kara/Alex can be interesting. This episode even made me slightly buy them as a family (even if I think we threw that word around A LOT) but let them actually be a family? I need more moments like that and less moments where the show is trying to deciding who it wants Kara to make googly eyes at.
Molly: I complained last week about how blah I have been finding this season, but damn, that episode was good! Finally!
Amber: I enjoyed this episode so much with one major caveat, but I’ll get to that.
Molly: Alternate universe stories are already a good premise and even if it followed predictable beats for this kind of story (The good guys are bad! The bad guys are mayor! Someone you love hates you here! Deadshot!), it was still really enjoyable to watch. The metahuman story on Earth 1 felt about as useful as an Oliver Queen flashback, but most of Earth 2 was solid.
Let’s talk about fashion and how Earth 2 is better than Earth 1. When I first saw pictures of Killer Frost a few months ago, I didn’t think the styling looked that good, but that wasn’t true at all once I actually saw her. I thought the effects for her powers didn’t look too good (perhaps they were trying to differentiate it from Lenny’s cold gun effects and it just sort of ended up looking, well, like it did?), but she looked amazing. Also looking incredible: Iris West. Those pants.
Amber: I never want to go back to Earth 1 personally. I think it’s a waste.
Molly: Ronnie’s presence was welcome as well, even if I can only imagine the conversation went like this:
The Flash team: Hey, Robbie, we need you back for an episode.
Robbie Amell: Sounds great. What’s Ronnie up to now?
The Flash team: The usual. Fire flying, being with Caitlin, dying.
Robbie Amell: Oh.
I think the two real missed opportunities were:
- Not having Wally always been a part of the West family.
- Not having Barry be married to Mayor Snart.
My thoughts on number two are well documented (But seriously! How fun would that be! Even if it can’t happen on Earth 1!) (well, assuming it’s Leonard and not Lisa). As to Wally, it was made even stranger by the fact that he showed up for about five seconds in the Earth 1 story and that was it. But ever since Wally came into their lives, the story has been, “If I’d known about you, we would’ve always been a family, so how do we become a family now?” and we have the perfect opportunity to explore the first half of that and yet we don’t.
Amber: I am so sad we didn’t see more of Mayor Snart.
Okay, it’s time we had a talk about Caitlin Snow. Killer Frost proves, beyond a doubt, that this show is treating Caitlin like shit. In this episode Killer Frost has clear desires, gets to mourn the loss of her boyfriend, and is actually interesting. Meanwhile, Caitlin Snow invents Velocity 7 to help Jay Garrick run faster and WE DON’T EVEN GET TO FUCKING SEE HER DO IT. What the fuck. I loved this episode and I love this show, but this is a problem. I want to see her do things. I want to see her have feelings. I want her to be a real character not a prop that the show uses whenever someone needs medical attention.
Molly: In the about 10 seconds we spend there, Killer Frost gets to mourn Ronnie’s death about the same amount Caitlin Snow has allotted and I assume next week, we’ll see even more. I don’t understand. I just do not understand at all.
Molly: GIVE NYSSA AL GHUL SOME DAMN AGENCY. I literally cheered at the end of that episode when she melted the ring because that was good, but the entire episode leading up to it was incredibly frustrating on her part. After calling Oliver her stupid husband about eleven hundred times, she has to sit back while he quite literally fights the battle for her. This predicated on the entire idea that she came to Oliver to make him kill Malcolm for her. When this show treats Nyssa well, it treats her really well. And then there are other times.
Amber: Yeah, I don’t feel like there’s a universe where Nyssa NEEDS Oliver to kill Malcolm for her. And, oh my god, I totally forgot they were married? It was used so weirdly in this episode. The problem is sometimes they treat her like she’s Nyssa and other times they just treat her like she’s a plot device.
Molly: I didn’t really hate this episode, I just hated the way Nyssa was treated most of the time. I appreciated the numerous mentions of Tommy (so much so that I’m wondering if that’s setting up a return of some sort). I gave up on expecting to know why Malcolm killed Sara a long time ago, but his motivations were clear and I’m interested to see where he’ll be and how he’ll fit in going forward.
Amber: I also thought the Tommy mentions were so numerous it might signal a return. For all his faults though…I do love Malcolm Meryln and he was at his best this episode. He is so hurt by Oliver. (And they are both so in love with each other) I’m excited for him to be a bad guy again.
Molly: Felicity’s dad is fully open about being the Calculator, which was an interesting turn. Donna didn’t get much to do here, but I’m so happy that she’s become a part of the show. Felicity’s dad reveals himself to really be that much of a dick afterall, so she rents a billboard to alert the police to where he’ll be and when.
A general note: my headcanon is that Quentin is the one who came so that if the Calculator, as he was being arrested, shouted that Felicity is involved with the Arrow, Quentin could deflect.
Amber: I wanna care more about her dad as a bad guy, but I think she found out too soon.
LEGENDS OF TOMORROW
Molly: So, Killer Frost wasn’t the only one this week who got to mourn Ronnie more than Caitlin Snow.
But putting that aside, since Carter’s death, Martin Stein seems to have taken the place of weakest link. I like Victor Garber a lot and I’m ready to be fully on board with Martin, he just keeps making it difficult. The show is still doing a decent job balancing all eight major characters, but I hope next week we can spend more time with Martin and Jefferson, either separate or together.
Amber: Yeah I agree with that. I like them both and I want the characters to do well, but the show needs to give them both a little more to do. But at least Sara and Kendra got to speak to each other this week. I really liked all their stuff. Can we please see more of them together?
Molly: I agree that Sara and Kendra getting time was really nice. I wasn’t crazy about this episode overall. There were things I liked (the way Arthur Darvill says “pentagon,” making Leonard Snart go to the ballet, most of what Mick got to do), but the pieces didn’t quite fit together for me. I also feel like if time travel is going to be a big part of this show, why not just go all out with it? We jumped back to the 70s and that was great and now we’re headed to…the 80s. Uh, okay. I know we’re trying to catch Vandal Savage as early as possible, but I think I’d rather us be jumping back and forth through time.
Amber: I agree. The seventies was at least sort of interesting, but let’s go back to Egypt or World War I. Anything, but the 80’s. There aren’t even any fun costumes they can wear.
Molly: Let’s be honest, probably I would’ve been 89% more on board with the 80s if they had fun costumes.
Amber: I liked this episode. Maybe not as much as the past few weeks, but it was decent. On the other hand, I don’t have anything to say about it except that I really ship Leonard and Ray.
Molly: Raymond, you mean. What can I say? He has a type.